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Ian Atrus
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No offence to the oratorical abilities of Vormaen and Ragdrazi, but the only one who should be answering here is Sidney, to kindly explain what the frak is this anti-DRC movement about.
Maybe, after that, we can actually discuss if she really is against the DRC in any form like the name suggests, or if she just wants to open a discussion table (in which case she should probably change the group's name).
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SIL_OH_WET
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Excuse me if I am misreading your post Ian; but didn't her original post in this thread state that she would be doing exactly what you ask at the meeting which is scheduled?
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earthwizard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Ragdrazi wrote: | So... in addition to understanding exactly what Sydney is and is not capable of, and you feel you understand exactly what the DRC is and is not capable of?
Judging from the reactions on this board, why should she not feel she's going to be made subject to massive and unreasonable levels of antagonism? |
Rag, I know you're a defender of the little guy, the outcast, and the least among us (and who isn't in need of this?) and that this is too me a great and necessary mission, and I'll defend your right to question to the hilt; yet others also have a right to question people's motives and intentions and messages.
No one really understands Sydney's true motives, nor do they understand what she is capable of becasue she has yet to give a full statemment of the mission or purpose of her group, mission, or message (at least not one that I am aware of, and I've tried to read what I can of this subject. So please point me to something that might clarify for me what her message is if I'm ignorant...).
She shoudn't feel that she is going to be made an outcast nor mocked or judged by her actions, but she will be judged by her inaction and inability to communicate her message, mission, and intentions. She is the one who instigated this on the forum, no one asked her to begin this process of a campaign, so it seems that people who care about the cavern (even if they might question aspects of the DRC's protocols) have every right to understand someone's message. How else we'll be able to make up our minds whether she as legitimate grievances or not?
Without effective communication people have no sense of what is fair or balanced, and this is the main point that all are truly interested in: the truth of the matter, nothing more and nothing less. I do not personally judge her, nor will I ever judge anyone in that sense: this is not my place to do so, and I hate the use and abuse of power-over rhetoric on forums which causes problems for all concerned. And I personally do not see this now.
What I do see in every instance is not people being negative agains Sydney, but people wanting Sydney to publically state her purpose in civilized prose and communicate with us what her message is. Without this kind of communicative practice on a forum people are left to surmise people's intentions for lack of clarity. This is what is happening now, people see words, specific words that do have a long history of connotative associations. Her words have brought to a head feelings in people, and we are all human in this need to know. The word "Anti" has a long history of usage in the linguistic fabric of our culture, and even its use in the dictionary belies the political intentions of its use (see below).
So to have used it in the context (and this is the only way people can understand anything in language) in which she did shows that she is intent on opposing a particular practice, policy, or actions of the DRC. This is the contextual meaning of her use of the term "Anti-DRC".
So if this is not her true intention, the she needs to clarify what she does mean. Otherwise people who are either neutral in the matter (I vote for this course), or the people who defend the DRC will know just what it is they are defending.
Withot civilized discourse where would we be? We need clarity and openess, critical awareness and and self-knowledge otherwise we fall back into the void of non-meaning. For two thousand years and more people have developed the ability to reason and think with clarity by using language and nuance of understanding, and these tools have been honed on the battlefields of the mind of philosophers and poets. So to understand her intentions we need to have her clarify her message so that we can all return to the civilized discourse of this forum....
just my honest opinion, earthwiz
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
an·ti /ˈæntaɪ, ˈænti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation
[an-tahy, an-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -tis. a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc.
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[Origin: 1780–90; by shortening of words prefixed with anti-]
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SIL_OH_WET
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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After reading your post earthwizard. I see so many parallels between her style of communication, with the explorers, regarding her intentions - thus far; and the DRC's communication of the same. Yet she seems to be pleaded with for answers. Right now, I don't see us doing that to the DRC. Could it be that they have done it that way for so long, that we are conditioned to be "ok" with it? And the same goes for Yeesha except that our contact with her prevents us from changing that at the moment.
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Ian Atrus
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| SIL_OH_WET wrote: | | didn't her original post in this thread state that she would be doing exactly what you ask at the meeting which is scheduled? |
Yes, and I think it's very wrong. "Want to know what this is about? Come to the meeting!" is just a bad way to get some attention.
It would only have taken her 30 seconds to write if her group is completely against the DRC, or just a confrontational group like, say, TGT; not saying it, and even asking for a presence of the DRC, is just a clever way to try and keep this thread open in defiance of the previous lock.
| SIL_OH_WET wrote: | | Right now, I don't see us doing that to the DRC. |
Except we have at least a basic idea of what the DRC does. 
And we do keep on asking questions to the DRC. Even now there are threads about the malcontent caused by the lack of presence of the DRC in Cavern, or the lack of journals about the new Eders, and so on.
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