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Kaelri
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 Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: The Cult of Yeesha |
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This is an offshoot of a discussion that started in my other recent thread.
| Tweek wrote: | | I would be interested in hearing more about this "Yeesha Cult", I've been in the Cavern for around 4 years or so now and have not seen such a thing. |
I had assumed that the phrase "Cult of Yeesha" was the accepted way of referring to those who "follow" Yeesha with devout reverence of the woman despite showing little understanding of her philosophy. I've done a bit more research on the matter this morning, and I can see that cult isn't the best word for it; it implies cohesion and focus where none exists.
But if not a cult, then certainly a movement - that, I believe, is very real, and still lingers among us.
One of the distinctions I made before is that the DRC represents the material restoration, while Yeesha guides the spiritual. The DRC is the head of a body: its limbs are the neighborhoods, its organs are the extensions that it subsidizes, like the Guild of Greeters, and its spine, for a time, was the liaisons. Yeesha, on the other hand, is the focus of a collective soul; thoughts and visions and philosophies and dreams gravitate around her without the need for coalescence. So the presence of Yeesha's followers in the cavern is subtle and hidden, existing within and among the structures built by the DRC.
But it is there. And just like the DRC's hierarchy, it naturally relies on a nexus to provide its fundamental direction. Too much guidance, and the soul's better angels will fail to reign in the demon that the guide may become. Too little guidance, and the soul will drift, disperse, and fragment. Yeesha has struggled to find the balance, and she has made mistakes. She began with too much, and left us with too little.
The consequence of the first was to create a mass of followers who, as Kolian said, were never challenged to internalize her message, and so, as BladeLakem said, cannot separate the woman from the words.
The consequence of the second was to leave these conditioned zealots adrift, and at the mercy of an unfamiliar but powerful compulsion to reacquire their center of gravity.
The two symptoms of the resulting mentality are these:
First, they adopt a hollow faith in Yeesha as the ultimate good, and therefore the antidote to all evil. This is how we get people like Sydney, whose passionate opposition to the DRC seems vague, undefined, even rabid, until one reads the last line.
| *Sydney Austin* wrote: | | We Follow Yeesha! |
And then the puzzle piece falls into place. She is not interested in solving the DRC's problems, but rather avoiding them, eschewing them, until the savior Yeesha returns to tell us what to do. 'Clearly, she can answer all our questions. Clearly, her words are the only truth we require. Clearly, anything that seems to be standing in her way must be eliminated.' The rejection of persuasion and symbiosis that is the hallmark of the radical phase of every religion.
Second, they tend to forget that Yeesha's methods of demonstration have always been quiet, subtle, minimalistic, and individual. Instead, we get this.
It smacks of Pride. 'We understand Yeesha, we alone. She will answer our call.' And at the same time, a childlike dependency, a failure to be content with the ungilded gifts which we have already been given.
This is what I meant when I said that such practices corrupt and distort Yeesha's message. In reality, there is no cult, but to the uninformed, it often looks that way. It's just enough to push away many of those who could most benefit from the pure wisdom of Yeesha's words and the ability to imbue it at the grassroots level of the community. And the rest of us, those who I consider the true followers of Yeesha, are hard-pressed to dispel this messianic illusion.
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Bukwheet
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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I personally think it was the giving of the Yeesha journey shirt that started it all. After competion of the journey, Yeesha gave us a shirt and told us to choose sides when the time comes. People took that as, "Yeesha equals good, DRC equals evil."
The shirt (like the white hoods of the KKK or the Swastika of the nazis) gave people the idea of a cult movement, though they wouldn't call themselves a cult. In my comparison, however, I do not imply that the Yeesha shirt is a bad thing. I am simply saying that people could have misinterpreted what Yeesha meant by choosing sides.
When the time comes, I think we will finally know what it was that she meant. Perhaps we will follow with a little more light instead of following the words of a hologram. |
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Gondar
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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The trouble is it's not a binary either-or. You don't either follow Yeesha or you don't.
Her words and messages can be seperated from her actions.
Do I believe in what Yeesha says? Much of it, yes. Excess pride is bad. It leads to trouble. But I think you have to realize that there's always someone or something bettere than you.. so not only strive for what they have done.. but make sure you don't make their mistakes!
Do I believe Yeesha is someone to teach these? No! She's egotistical, hides from everything, doesn't treat explorers as equals but instead dupes us into her own personal crusade. We end up doing her dirty work, and she doesn't even have the grace to tell us WHY at the end! 
Does this mean her message is wrong? Nope. Yeesha is a poor prophet, but the message holds.
Cult of Yeesha? We need to differentiate those who think that Yeesha knows what she's doing (if she does she sure has a poor way of showing it) and those who believe in what she says. We need to look between her words, look behind the page. And ignore all the bad extra stuff she threw in.
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Kolian
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I would cite the sort of person who got to the end of Eder Delin and was both surprised and disenfranchised to find she did not appear. The sort of person who feels the new Journeys are meaningless until Yeesha comes along to give one of her long-winded diatribes about what we just did.
I think that's pretty much the mentality being described.
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Calam
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeesha Cult...
Founded in the initial Restoration, these robe-and-sackcloth-laden priests follow the divine order of Yeesha, prasing her to be both a Savior and prophet of divine wisdom inspired by the even more revered race, the Bahro. Initial texts seem to declare they have not only the Pento Book in their possesion, but also Reltos, trance-inducing mushroom concotions, and the Holy Grail.
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Gondar
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah.. see, it's not the Cult of Yeesha we should worry about. Most people tend to agree Yeesha is a prophet and a flawed one like any human (or part-human as she is).
Now, it's those she speaks for.. the Cult of the Bahro.
Those ones are dangerous.. prone to believing them to be gods free of time and space, by the divine proof of their self-linking, and free of all sin, vice, dissent, and misunderstanding. Yahvo in physical form, as it were.
Beware these types! The followers of Yeesha are identifiable by their clothing, but the Bahro worshippers have none save the coverings behind their eyes. They See no evil in their idols, hear no evil with their cries, and will hear no evil spoken of them. BEWARWE!
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Whilyam
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Kolian wrote: | I would cite the sort of person who got to the end of Eder Delin and were both surprised and disenfranchised to find she did not appear. The sort of person who feels the new Journeys are meaningless until Yeesha comes along to give one of her long-winded diatribes about what we just did.
I think that's pretty much the mentality being described. |
Well I would be one of those. Maybe not as extreme as you're thinking. I wish Yeesha had appeared and told what purpose the journey held. Certainly I can think for a half second an place my own idea of what the journey means (Delin journey teaching us how to work together) but it's sort of like the DRC releasing a building with no name, history, or other information. I can guess at the information, but in the end it helps if those "in the know" clarify that for me.
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Vormaen
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Plain and simple....
Yeesha cannot do for those, that cannot do for themselves.
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Kolian
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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The Lord helps those who help themselves?
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Vormaen
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Well....um.....not what I mean, kind of. That would be more reserved for asking Yahvo for help. I'm talking about a flesh and blood being who has troubles of her own, and unfortunately cannot be here to clarify her meanings.
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Kolian
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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I personally believe that her absence was planned. I think these last journeys were our own; their outcomes are ours to select.
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Ian Atrus
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Kolian wrote: | | The sort of person who feels the new Journeys are meaningless until Yeesha comes along to give one of her long-winded diatribes about what we just did. |
That I am. I'm also one of those who were at the calling for Yeesha thing. You might find it odd that I'm not a follower of Yeesha in any way; at most, I think of her as a a friend with good intentions but that needs to work her issues out. With such persons, I get worried when they keep on doing their thing but get silent about their motives or intentions, and don't talk with us anymore (especially since she wasn't that talkative to begin with, except from recordings, but you just need to do those once). Before I start solving puzzles by pressing random clothes and getting floating wedges I would really like to know why; and I don't mean the reason I can think up, I mean the reason why *she* did it.
I ask for more communication from the DRC, and I ask for the same from Yeesha. Does that strike you as odd?
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SIL_OH_WET
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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That doesn't strike me as odd at all. I would even go as far as to say I would like more knowledge into the motives of both, as well.
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Firesign
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Kolian wrote: | | I personally believe that her absence was planned. I think these last journeys were our own; their outcomes are ours to select. |
bingo. |
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Lobo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Those who speak of the "Cult of Yeesha" are simply using divisive language to characterize those they disagree with. In truth, it makes no more sense than to talk about the "Cult of DRC". It is a negative term devised to put those they disagree with in a bad light, similar to terms used on the surface such as "anti-choice" and "pro-abortion".
And, for someone to be wary of the DRC does not mean that they are automatically a Yeesha worshipper.
Let's put a halt to these bigotted, devisive word games and propaganda. Don't pigeonhole people, as there is a spectrum--no, a spectral cloud--of opinions out there regarding the DRC and Yeesha. |
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