Lets see how long this stays up.

[*Sydney Austin*]

Public Meeting for the ADM (Anti DRC Movement)

What: We'll have a presentation and Q&A following
Time: 4/11/07 at 7:00pm Cavern time
Where: Anti D R C Movement Bevin
Why: Time for answers!

We would like to personally invite the DRC to come also! There will time for responses from them if they so desire.

We Follow Yeesha!
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[Erik]

So, the DRC gets the chance to see how much they're hated?

[SIL_OH_WET]

I am curious as to what your groups platform is....I will be there. Not to say that I will or won't buy into the ideals you promote. Plus, I have some questions for you!
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[Kaelri]

I don't think I'll be able to attend, unfortunately, so I'd be grateful if someone could record a log.

I'd also be grateful if you could explain, either here or there, what exactly you mean when you say that you "follow Yeesha."
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[earthwizard]

A time for questions, Sydney...

What is your Mission?

What do you mean by Anti DRC movement, beyond the narrow meaning defined in the statement itself?

Why would you think the DRC would want to attend?

Is there an agenda? You talk of a time for answers, but what are the questions?

an inquiring mind wants to know...

your buddy in the zone, earthwiz
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[Vormaen]

Sydney, again you incite distrust and misplaced fear with the mere title of your thread. We need to talk. Everything you have said previous to this is created to throw a string of discord amongst the explorers, and I do not like it. Let's see how long this stays up? You want the people to hate the DRC, and yet you give no responses to the questions asked here, unless people are forced to come to your "meetings" to get the answers. I'm halfway tempted to tell the DRC not to risk their safety by coming to your Bevin. If your intentions are to hide your motives from the watchful eyes of the DRC or their supporters on the forum until you can act, then you are creating a dangerous situation and I'm begging that you please reconsider your choices and words. I do not represent the explorers as a whole but don't think for a moment I won't come to their defense if I think there's any reason to fear for people's safety, even the DRC.
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[Ragdrazi]

Her last thread got shut down for dubious reasons. Hence the title of this thread. Her group is a protest movement against the DRC. Hence the title of her group.
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[Vormaen]

As Sil put it, I am not going to assume her motives for titling this thread as such. I need to hear it from her. Did you gather this from her yourself Rag?

Dubious? I think not. She's spreading propaganda, and they locked it to prevent her from using their site as a tool for hate. That I will assume on, because she has not expanded on her movement. Unless she defines her motives or justifications, that is what I take this as, a complete contempt for the DRC, and the movement to remove them. I just don't have anything else to judge by, other than her creating falsehoods from thin air.

[Ragdrazi]

I gathered it from reading the title of the thread. I gathered that she’s a protest movement against the DRC from her saying she’s a protest movement against the DRC. I don't see any hate... from her.

Live and let live. Challenge her ideas and then maybe move on huh?
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[Kaelri]

Is that what she said? I believe you are the first person to use the word "protest" in this thread. At best, you're giving Sydney the benefit of the doubt, and I am not convinced that she deserves that at this point. Indeed, it's only the persistence of Kolian and others that has persuaded me not to take the name Sydney has chosen at face value. Anti. Against. By default, this implies absolute and fundamental opposition. And it's been tried before; can you blame the rest of the community for assuming that it's no different this time around?
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[Vormaen]

So then she is wanting the DRC removed? And will do so at any cost, even inventing things to sway the community? That, my friend, is misleading. That is borderline lying. Sure she has not stated it as fact, but she's trying to convince the community that the DRC will do these things. That is not how you go about these things. Do we really use lies to seek the truth. Does that support all that we have accomplished, all that we strive for? And then blindly adding that they follow Yeesha? See my "misinterpreted enemies" thread. Yeesha never made the DRC out to be the enemy. She has built that up all by herself. People who blindly follow Yeesha's words without understanding them always pull that from her words.

I challenge her ideas, yes. But I cannot move on until I am convinced she will not bring harm to the people. You tell me to move on, but this from the man that was so passionate about the integrity of the cavern ceiling and safety equipment that he would not let it go? Come on Rag, you of all people should know you cannot let something go until it's resolved.
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[Ragdrazi]

Where has she said she wants the DRC removed? And will do so at any cost? Even inventing things to sway the community? Where are you even getting that from?

I recall a little bit ago Vormaen, defending you against people who wanted to defame you personally for expressing your ideas. It was wrong what they were doing to you. But now, look. Look at what you're doing. Why do the exact thing done to you?

I can let go, and allow others to have their own opionins. She is not a fractured cavern ceiling. She's a human being she and deserves the same basic human respect that you did. Can you give it to her or not?
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[Vormaen]

Rag, read again.

[Ragdrazi]

So... in addition to understanding exactly what Sydney is and is not capable of, and you feel you understand exactly what the DRC is and is not capable of?

Judging from the reactions on this board, why should she not feel she's going to be made subject to massive and unreasonable levels of antagonism?
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[Vormaen]

Rag, we're back to the "sky is falling" mentality and I'm going to discuss with her and not you, since you seem set on attacking my right to question her motives and ideas. This reminds me too much of the Scientology questioning tactics. I have spent too much time arguing with you over my assumptions, and you haven't presented me with any solid answers. You continue to ignore the base quote I gave you where she was trying to entice an unfounded mistrust. My intentions, no matter how you want to question them, are still safe and based on my overly protective beliefs on the safety and lives of my community. Since I cannot see what she truly means, I have to assume that it could possibly be dangerous and I will find out the truth. You say you've defended me, but this is the whole Sharper argument all over again. I just seek the truth. I have no intentions of defaming her, I just want to know how and why, and I don't like people calling me out as a jerk. As bad as I am at wording my thoughts, I am going to stop now at discussing this with you, I need answers, and you always answer me with more questions. That really goes nowhere.


And did I say I understood anything? That is what has me all flustered. I need to know the truth. But instead I spend too many posts trying to defend my need to know the truth to you. It isn't worth it anymore.
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